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	<title>Comments on: Abrupt Logout in Leopard 10.5.2</title>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://jimmitchell.org/2008/02/19/abrupt-logout-in-leopard-1052/comment-page-1/#comment-349</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 04:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The &quot;external monitor debacle&quot; has finally been corrected by the release of Mac OS X 10.5.3.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;external monitor debacle&#8221; has finally been corrected by the release of Mac OS X 10.5.3.</p>
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		<title>By: Ilgaz</title>
		<link>http://jimmitchell.org/2008/02/19/abrupt-logout-in-leopard-1052/comment-page-1/#comment-348</link>
		<dc:creator>Ilgaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;At least on PPC/G5 (quad here) with Nvidia 6xxx series, there is already a huge memory leak in WindowManager which is triggered by any &quot;progress bar&quot; (native, Quartz) happening. Anything showing a live progress bar will lead to extra (huge) 40% CPU usage and 4-5x memory leak by Windowserver. It gets worse if progressbar is advancing fast.
It is going on since 10.5.0 to this date (10.5.2 with all updates)
Does that application have progress bar? Dock doesn&#039;t like &quot;show my progress on my icon&quot; things too. Toast 8.x (latest 8.x) and RealPlayer 11 beta effected.
I reported this to Apple of course (bugreporter.apple.com) and they said it is duplicate of bug 5607027 . Perhaps it would be better if you could produce same issue as a developer/admin and report it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least on PPC/G5 (quad here) with Nvidia 6xxx series, there is already a huge memory leak in WindowManager which is triggered by any &#8220;progress bar&#8221; (native, Quartz) happening. Anything showing a live progress bar will lead to extra (huge) 40% CPU usage and 4-5x memory leak by Windowserver. It gets worse if progressbar is advancing fast.
It is going on since 10.5.0 to this date (10.5.2 with all updates)
Does that application have progress bar? Dock doesn&#8217;t like &#8220;show my progress on my icon&#8221; things too. Toast 8.x (latest 8.x) and RealPlayer 11 beta effected.
I reported this to Apple of course (bugreporter.apple.com) and they said it is duplicate of bug 5607027 . Perhaps it would be better if you could produce same issue as a developer/admin and report it.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://jimmitchell.org/2008/02/19/abrupt-logout-in-leopard-1052/comment-page-1/#comment-347</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This just happended to me this evening - lost 3 hours of work on a complex schematic. It looks like Leopard is a very poor quality release. My Mac crashed 6 times since 10.5.2. And 4 times from 10.2 up to 10.4.x. I run it 24/7 since then and it is loaded to the max with many apps...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just happended to me this evening &#8211; lost 3 hours of work on a complex schematic. It looks like Leopard is a very poor quality release. My Mac crashed 6 times since 10.5.2. And 4 times from 10.2 up to 10.4.x. I run it 24/7 since then and it is loaded to the max with many apps&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://jimmitchell.org/2008/02/19/abrupt-logout-in-leopard-1052/comment-page-1/#comment-346</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Dave: Sure - there&#039;s an update to FM6. It&#039;s called FileMaker 9. ;) Seriously, I can guarantee we won&#039;t see anything in that regards. FM6 was officially EOL&#039;d two years (and major versions) ago.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We are rewriting the solution - but in .NET (yuck). The only problem is it&#039;s already taken a team of five people 2 years to do what I single-handedly did in 6 months in FM. There&#039;s still a long way to go too - so the old FM6 system needs to run in tandem (and live sync) with the .NET solution.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;By the way... In case you weren&#039;t aware, FileMaker is a subsidiary of Apple, though they don&#039;t really make it known.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave: Sure &#8211; there&#8217;s an update to FM6. It&#8217;s called FileMaker 9. <img src='http://jimmitchell.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Seriously, I can guarantee we won&#8217;t see anything in that regards. FM6 was officially EOL&#8217;d two years (and major versions) ago.</p>

<p>We are rewriting the solution &#8211; but in .NET (yuck). The only problem is it&#8217;s already taken a team of five people 2 years to do what I single-handedly did in 6 months in FM. There&#8217;s still a long way to go too &#8211; so the old FM6 system needs to run in tandem (and live sync) with the .NET solution.</p>

<p>By the way&#8230; In case you weren&#8217;t aware, FileMaker is a subsidiary of Apple, though they don&#8217;t really make it known.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://jimmitchell.org/2008/02/19/abrupt-logout-in-leopard-1052/comment-page-1/#comment-345</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;10.5.2 busted my FileMaker 6 network badly. I&#039;ve been waiting for an upgrade from the vendor for several years... thanks Apple, thanks Filemaker. You guys need to get along better. Perhaps it is time to rewrite the app on a new database.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10.5.2 busted my FileMaker 6 network badly. I&#8217;ve been waiting for an upgrade from the vendor for several years&#8230; thanks Apple, thanks Filemaker. You guys need to get along better. Perhaps it is time to rewrite the app on a new database.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@James - Unfortunately, no. I&#039;ve been fighting to migrate to FM7/8/9 for the past 3 years. The day job just doesn&#039;t want to invest the money and time to migrate the huge 50+ file solution I&#039;ve built to a newer version.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They&#039;ve instead decided to make it .NET based -- which will probably take another 5-6 years to do based on the current speed of the project (though I could have migrated in a fraction of that time). Oh well, managers with MBA&#039;s will always thwart the best solution...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James &#8211; Unfortunately, no. I&#8217;ve been fighting to migrate to FM7/8/9 for the past 3 years. The day job just doesn&#8217;t want to invest the money and time to migrate the huge 50+ file solution I&#8217;ve built to a newer version.</p>

<p>They&#8217;ve instead decided to make it .NET based &#8212; which will probably take another 5-6 years to do based on the current speed of the project (though I could have migrated in a fraction of that time). Oh well, managers with MBA&#8217;s will always thwart the best solution&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://jimmitchell.org/2008/02/19/abrupt-logout-in-leopard-1052/comment-page-1/#comment-343</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, that sounds frustrating.  Any chance you could present this issue, and the possibility of similar future issues, as a reason to upgrade?  After all, they are three versions behind.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that sounds frustrating.  Any chance you could present this issue, and the possibility of similar future issues, as a reason to upgrade?  After all, they are three versions behind.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://jimmitchell.org/2008/02/19/abrupt-logout-in-leopard-1052/comment-page-1/#comment-342</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 02:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey! How&#039;s it going? Sorry to hear about your problems. I ran the software update last week to 10.5.2 and guess what? It fried my logic board? How? I dont know!!! Right now, it&#039;s in the shop behind replaced... :-(&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey! How&#8217;s it going? Sorry to hear about your problems. I ran the software update last week to 10.5.2 and guess what? It fried my logic board? How? I dont know!!! Right now, it&#8217;s in the shop behind replaced&#8230; <img src='http://jimmitchell.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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